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is it a fiscal cliff or a slope? how dramatic will this fall off be on january 1st? or is there going to be the decision that if this decision is not made on january 1st, we'll be fine. >> they constantly talk about short-term agreement right now and then pushing important decision abouts entitlement reform taxes that kind of stuff into 2013. clearly we're not confronting a killer drop off, a fiscal cliff that we hear so often that will send the country careening into a recession after bees december 31st. this will play out across 2013. it's not going to happen all on one single day. it is a fiscal slope. some of the budget lines here in washington has tried to emphasize that point. but the problem is when you have john boehner and in the white house, folks like this in washington using the term fiscal cliff, it takes to become a reality and take on language of its own. >> eliot: it seems to me that there is an element of hysteria being created and used by some folks. you have fix the debt coalition that is away at this terror, and then you see cmbc and this business
is it a fiscal cliff or a slope? how dramatic will this fall off be on january 1st? or is there going to be the decision that if this decision is not made on january 1st, we'll be fine. >> they constantly talk about short-term agreement right now and then pushing important decision abouts entitlement reform taxes that kind of stuff into 2013. clearly we're not confronting a killer drop off, a fiscal cliff that we hear so often that will send the country careening into a recession after...
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cliff and it's actually not a fiscal cliff, you hear a lot of liberals saying it's a slope. and the world is not going to end if we go over it. now, you won't finds too many people in the administration who agree with that. they worry about the psychology, the markets. and frankly just the drama associated with hitting that deadline and washington's inability to deal with this deadline. they worry about that. but the growing argument on the left, is that the white house shouldn't be so concerned. they should just call the republicans bluff. >> the democrats like to say that they got a mandate out of the last election. but do you think that's true? certainly, it's stronger in the senate for them, but republicans still control the house. >> on this question of letting tax rates for those at the top -- the lower tax rates expire for those at the top, there is a mandate. polling has been consistent for years, and we saw in the exit poll. 60% of voters overall, and more importantly, 80% of obama voters is more unified democratic coalition support letting the tax rates expire. tha
cliff and it's actually not a fiscal cliff, you hear a lot of liberals saying it's a slope. and the world is not going to end if we go over it. now, you won't finds too many people in the administration who agree with that. they worry about the psychology, the markets. and frankly just the drama associated with hitting that deadline and washington's inability to deal with this deadline. they worry about that. but the growing argument on the left, is that the white house shouldn't be so...
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this fiscal cliff though is not child's play. it's just 33 days away and today, president obama's visit to a toy factory in pennsylvania had everyone acting a bit childish. >> i've been keeping my own naughty and nice lists. >> we're not interesting in playing. >> i wasn't going to have him building roller coasters all day long. >> sure, who doesn't want to be a kid again, but washington, you have real work to do. a looming fiscal cliff and what are we hearing? as jeff sessions says -- >> a lot of flimflam. >> flimflam. we told you last night that tim geithner hopscotched his way down pennsylvania avenue to bring the president's proposal from the white house to capitol hill and instead of offering compromise, he leapt to the extreme. his plan taxes $1.6 trillion of taxes. higher tax rates on people, families making more than $250,000 as well as closing loopholes, limiting deductions, raising the estate tax rate and increasing the taxes on capital gains and dividends and the plan spends nearly $200 billion. another stimulus packag
this fiscal cliff though is not child's play. it's just 33 days away and today, president obama's visit to a toy factory in pennsylvania had everyone acting a bit childish. >> i've been keeping my own naughty and nice lists. >> we're not interesting in playing. >> i wasn't going to have him building roller coasters all day long. >> sure, who doesn't want to be a kid again, but washington, you have real work to do. a looming fiscal cliff and what are we hearing? as jeff...
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later, nancy pelosi addresses the fiscal cliff and middle- class tax cuts. president obama talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end of the bush tax cuts on those earning more than two and a $50,000. ed -- more than $250,000. ["hail to the chief" plays] please have a seat. have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. it is good to be right here. i want to thank michael, robert, and the investor, joel glickman for hosting me today and giving me a great tour. stand up so everybody can see you, guys. [cheers and applause] there you go. we have a couple of outstanding members of congress here. [cheers and applause] now, i just finished getting a tour of the workshop. i have to say it makes me wish that joel invented this stuff sooner when i was a kid. back then, you couldn't build a roller coaster out of your erector set. i got a chance to meet some of the folks who have been working around the clock to keep up with the christmas rush. that is a good thing. these guys are santa
later, nancy pelosi addresses the fiscal cliff and middle- class tax cuts. president obama talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end of the bush tax cuts on those earning more than two and a $50,000. ed -- more than $250,000. ["hail to the chief" plays] please have a seat. have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. it is good to be right here. i want to thank michael, robert, and the investor, joel...
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cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the things i agree with. >> it will not kill the economy. >> if you do those tax increases it will. >> i want to make sure. this is a little different point. i hear you on the fiscal cliff, howard. i appreciate respect of you as much as i may disagree. what's really at stake here, one of the things at stake here, steve moore, is the idea that changing taxes, for example raising tax rates on capital and dividend and private equity firms and individuals and small business, that that doesn't matter. and what i'm saying is, when you see
cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the...
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it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the last word. i'm ezra klein in for ed o'donnell. >>> the president has returned from his trip. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> a no-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your back. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and
it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the last word. i'm ezra klein in for ed o'donnell. >>> the president has returned from his trip. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> a no-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney,...
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it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the lawrence o'donnell. read my work at wonkblog.com. "the ed show" is up next. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. republicans say they're laughing at president obama's fiscal cliff offer. i'll show you how they're really crying. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> there are no shortage of pens in the white house. and i carry one around for an emergency just in case, waiting for a chance to use it to sign this bill so people's taxes don't go up. >> the adult in the room continues his campaign to cut taxes for the middle class, and john boehner keeps shooting spit balls. >> it was not a serious proposal. >> tonight the latest on the stalemate and the democrats' upper hand. mitch mcconnell gets downright ridiculous with his demands to weaken medicare. one of the architects of obama care dr. zeke emanuel responds tonight. >>> house republicans pass an immigration bill democrats say is divisive and
it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the lawrence o'donnell. read my work at wonkblog.com. "the ed show" is up next. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. republicans say they're laughing at president obama's fiscal cliff offer. i'll show you how they're really crying. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> there are no shortage of pens...
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first to the fiscal cliff. at the end of the year the buescher ra tax cuts will expire and the first wave of $1.2 trillion in spending cuts is scheduled to kick in. c.e.o.'s and economists alike are worried this will send the economy spiraling back into recession. the solution, $1. trillion in new revenue, much to come from raising taxes on wealthy americans. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1. every family. everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1. and it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper-income folks to go up. gwen: house speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not
first to the fiscal cliff. at the end of the year the buescher ra tax cuts will expire and the first wave of $1.2 trillion in spending cuts is scheduled to kick in. c.e.o.'s and economists alike are worried this will send the economy spiraling back into recession. the solution, $1. trillion in new revenue, much to come from raising taxes on wealthy americans. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1. every family....
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so you say this fiscal cliff, its fiscal nuclear bomb. what are some of the elements that concern you most? >> let's starts with this was something created by congress and signed into law by president obama. so this is not a tsunami that just came by accident, mother nature. this was created by our elected public officials. should it go off, it will be nothing short of a nuclear weapon, a fiscal nuclear weapon. we have not only the increasing of capital gains taxes and marginal tax rates but 26-28 million americans are going to be subject to the alternative minimum tax. that is potentially $3700 additional tax liability. we have the elimination of the 2% social security benefit and up to $55 billion on the social programs. $55 billion out of defense on and on. this will be nothing short of a nuclear catastrophe. >> heather: we keep hearing how this is going to affect the higher income people. according to the congressional budget office, all americans will be affected if the deal is not reached. not just in terms of revenue but job loss.
so you say this fiscal cliff, its fiscal nuclear bomb. what are some of the elements that concern you most? >> let's starts with this was something created by congress and signed into law by president obama. so this is not a tsunami that just came by accident, mother nature. this was created by our elected public officials. should it go off, it will be nothing short of a nuclear weapon, a fiscal nuclear weapon. we have not only the increasing of capital gains taxes and marginal tax rates...
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host: we want to let our folks know about the fiscal cliff page. if you want to find out more about the issue of the fiscal cliffs 02 c- span.org/fiscalcliff. you can find out all the information you ever wanted to know about the fiscal cliff. this is the lead editorial in the financial times. back to the phones. billy is on the line for independents calling from florida. caller: i think the fiscal cliff is inevitable. they need to reform everything. keep in mind, every missile fired in libya cost taxpayers $9 million. i lived during the cuban crisis, castro --they need to let most countries solve their own problems. thank you for letting me call. host: we want to remind our viewers and listeners that today is world aids day. we have this story from "the huffington post." they are also putting up on the white house today red ribbon. you can see more pictures of that on the internet. let's take our last call from harrison on the line for democrats. your thoughts about the fiscal cliff and talks being at a stalemate. caller: i am a democrat, and i di
host: we want to let our folks know about the fiscal cliff page. if you want to find out more about the issue of the fiscal cliffs 02 c- span.org/fiscalcliff. you can find out all the information you ever wanted to know about the fiscal cliff. this is the lead editorial in the financial times. back to the phones. billy is on the line for independents calling from florida. caller: i think the fiscal cliff is inevitable. they need to reform everything. keep in mind, every missile fired in libya...
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we have the fiscal cliff negotiations going on on capitol hill. for young republicans right now, as you listen to what both sides are saying in this debate, where do young republicans fall on raising taxes for the wealthiest to help pay down the debt? >> sure. thank you for having us on today, of course. but i think it's just important that as a party, our candidates are making sure that our voices are modernizing, not necessarily moderating. we don't necessarily have to fundamentally change who we are as a party and who we are as republicans. we have to make sure that our voices on taxes, on spending on the economy, are heard loud and clear. just as meghan said, the economic issues are driving many young voters indeed. so where we stand on taxes is that they should be low, but most importantly, in regards to college students and younger voters, we need to make sure that when we graduate college, that we're put to that a job environment that we're able to live productively, that we're not burdened by higher taxes, that we're not burdened by the di
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some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills.
some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain...
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we are 30 days from going over the fiscal cliff . both sides are pointing fingers and blaming each one for the stalemate. but the real losers is you and me, the american taxpayer if the taxpayers can't come to a compromise. steve has more on the part of the grid lock. >> hi, uma. one month away from the critical deadline and there appears to be very little movement to a deal. the president is using the bully pulpit and appeal to the american people and pushing to extend the bush era tax cuts but those making $250,000. a year. democrats want high tax rates for the wealthy. the president stressed the urgency of the situation in the radio address. >> if congress does nothing. every family will see the income taxes go up in the beginning of next year. a family of four will see income taxes rise $2200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> but republicans say the president should quit his campaign mode and come home and take care of business. the latest round of political maneuvering involv
we are 30 days from going over the fiscal cliff . both sides are pointing fingers and blaming each one for the stalemate. but the real losers is you and me, the american taxpayer if the taxpayers can't come to a compromise. steve has more on the part of the grid lock. >> hi, uma. one month away from the critical deadline and there appears to be very little movement to a deal. the president is using the bully pulpit and appeal to the american people and pushing to extend the bush era tax...
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the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress wit
the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any...
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for more on the fiscal cliff stalemate. let's bring in angela mcglowan, and dick, from the south carolina democratic party. look, i've got the questions prepared and i've got to ask the fundamental question most americans are requesting, what the heck is going on with the house and president obama. >> didn't we learn in 2011, where the government seemed less stable and our triple-a rating went down to a double-a rating and right now, john thune was right, it takes time to bush legislation through and we can't have a deal cut on christmas eve. >> is this brinksmanship on behalf of the president and time geithner, his treasury secretary, in terms of what the dems are now offering congress? >> no, i think the president has made a riegsal offer and of course, it's an opening offer, but that silence is deafening for the republicans, for the republicans' response. their political lemmings getting ready to go off the fiscal cliff and rather do that and not violate the no tax pledge they made to grover norquist than to move the bal
for more on the fiscal cliff stalemate. let's bring in angela mcglowan, and dick, from the south carolina democratic party. look, i've got the questions prepared and i've got to ask the fundamental question most americans are requesting, what the heck is going on with the house and president obama. >> didn't we learn in 2011, where the government seemed less stable and our triple-a rating went down to a double-a rating and right now, john thune was right, it takes time to bush legislation...
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i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know delivering a deal like that was going to make mitch mcconnell laugh. where were t
i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the...
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cliff, the affordable care act -- you can talk with tom coburn about the fiscal cliff, the affordable care act. join our 3 our conversation with your calls, e-mails, tweets sunday at noon eastern on book tv's in depth on c-span2. >> he worked his way up, went to harvard law school then at the urging of one of his brothers, emigrated to illinois where the lead mine industry was in its heyday. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, state -- state coach, and train and arrived on this monday mining town -- mudy dy minin town. established a law practice in a log cabin as slowly worked his way up and became a very successful lawyer then got involved politically, ran for congress, served for eight terms. then defended abraham lincoln -- befriended abraham lincoln and ulysses s. grant. as they rised, washburn stayed with them as a close colleague during the civil war. then after grant was elected president, he initially appointed him secretary of state. at that time, washburn became very ill. his family feared for his life. after about 10 days, he submitted his resignation to presi
cliff, the affordable care act -- you can talk with tom coburn about the fiscal cliff, the affordable care act. join our 3 our conversation with your calls, e-mails, tweets sunday at noon eastern on book tv's in depth on c-span2. >> he worked his way up, went to harvard law school then at the urging of one of his brothers, emigrated to illinois where the lead mine industry was in its heyday. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, state -- state coach, and train and arrived on...
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obama is taking his solutions to the looming fiscal cliff to the public. where will have that story coming up. >> >> with just a month to go before the impacts of the looming fiscal cliff kick sand, president obama is taking his solutions to the public sounding at times like he is back on the campaign trail. analysts say that the combination of tax increases and spending cuts could be real the recovering economy. despite some initial sounds of cooperation after the election, the president and house speaker john boehner do not appear close to a deal. >> congress does nothing every family in america will see their taxes automatically go on january 1st. every family. that means everyone here will see their taxes go up. i am assuming that this does not sound good to you. >> when the treasury secretary issued the proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff to republicans that they laughed. house speaker stated that bulls then the revenue over the next decade would be a crippling blow to the economy. >> let's not kid ourselves. the country cannot afford nor should we try
obama is taking his solutions to the looming fiscal cliff to the public. where will have that story coming up. >> >> with just a month to go before the impacts of the looming fiscal cliff kick sand, president obama is taking his solutions to the public sounding at times like he is back on the campaign trail. analysts say that the combination of tax increases and spending cuts could be real the recovering economy. despite some initial sounds of cooperation after the election, the...
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asking him what he will accept in these fiscal cliff debates? >> one of the great norquist tricks is a mass amnesia spell over washington. people have forgotten he laundered money for jack abram. he helped tom delay with a kfrnlts street prospect. he was' registered lobbyist for fannie mae. he was a tobacco industry hack throughout the '90s. folks have forgotten that. they take him pretty seriously. >> we used a stuffed grover doll on this set at one point. we are trying to take him as not seriously as possible. i appreciate so much, lee, the work you have done to help us see what grover norquist is. thank you to lee fong in san francisco and thank you to dan dicker here at the table in nerdland and the rest are back for more. >>> up next, the similarities are undeniable. an african-american teen shot dead. an older white man arrested. again, it happened in florida. is there no presumption of innocence for young black men. my letter is next. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the sha
asking him what he will accept in these fiscal cliff debates? >> one of the great norquist tricks is a mass amnesia spell over washington. people have forgotten he laundered money for jack abram. he helped tom delay with a kfrnlts street prospect. he was' registered lobbyist for fannie mae. he was a tobacco industry hack throughout the '90s. folks have forgotten that. they take him pretty seriously. >> we used a stuffed grover doll on this set at one point. we are trying to take him...
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on this fiscal cliff issue. they put forward their proposal which has about $1.6 trillion in additional taxes, about $50 billion in stimulus spending, of course, here are. so numbers on your screen. met with laughter by michigan mcconnell senate minority leader said i didn't take this seriously. what was your take on this? >> i think mcconnell is right. this is not a serious proposal. the republics intimated that they might be willing to put some revenue on the table. and that's when the democrats basically said okay, then we want everything. it's not unlike the used car sales men or even the new car sales men who says i think we have got a deal. let me take the sales manager. then he comes back and says after we add the undercoating and that special paint and a dealer prep package, then it's going to cost you. this look, there is an old line that every person understands, when the teenage boy says if you just let me kiss you, that's all i want and that's the game the democrats are playing. look,. >> now you are
on this fiscal cliff issue. they put forward their proposal which has about $1.6 trillion in additional taxes, about $50 billion in stimulus spending, of course, here are. so numbers on your screen. met with laughter by michigan mcconnell senate minority leader said i didn't take this seriously. what was your take on this? >> i think mcconnell is right. this is not a serious proposal. the republics intimated that they might be willing to put some revenue on the table. and that's when the...
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>> dylan, thanks. >>> turning now to the looming fiscal cliff. the democrats and the republicans still drawing battle lines today with the deadline for a deal drawing ever closer. mike, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. here we are december 1st and exactly one month we have to go if they can get a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. everybody says it's going to be an economic catastrophe if we do. an average of $2,200 in extra taxes next year for the average american family. the president has undergone a campaign style series of events. he's had ceos marching up and down the driveway here. he's got a twitter campaign. yesterday he was out in suburban philadelphia asking con stitch wa -- constituents to write in, call, do whatever they need to do to get in touch with those republicans in the house of representatives, try to get them to turn their votes. the president put his first proposal on capitol hill last week. it had $1.6 trillion in new revenues. about half of it coming from ending tax cuts for the wealthy, something th
>> dylan, thanks. >>> turning now to the looming fiscal cliff. the democrats and the republicans still drawing battle lines today with the deadline for a deal drawing ever closer. mike, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. here we are december 1st and exactly one month we have to go if they can get a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. everybody says it's going to be an economic catastrophe if we do. an average of $2,200 in extra taxes next year for the...
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a thelma and louise fiscal cliff strategy? i can only imagine. >> reporter: this is another one of the theories you hear. nobody wants it believe, alex, we are actually on the verge of going over this fiscal cliff after everything we've seen in the last several years, all the disagreement, all the partisanship, brinksmanship people can't believe after the election we had these two sides can't come together and agree to avert what everybody thinks will be economic catastrophe. we will go over the fiscal cliff come january 1st, one theory, will make it easier for john boehner and republicans for that matter to vote for higher taxes on the healthy. in other words they would be voting to cut taxes for 98% of americans while allowing them to stay where they are. because remember, after january 1st those bush tax cuts expire. they rise for everybody. again, there are conspiracy theories everywhere. you saw the hardball offer put forward by the white house late in the week on thursday when tim geithner went up to congress and present
a thelma and louise fiscal cliff strategy? i can only imagine. >> reporter: this is another one of the theories you hear. nobody wants it believe, alex, we are actually on the verge of going over this fiscal cliff after everything we've seen in the last several years, all the disagreement, all the partisanship, brinksmanship people can't believe after the election we had these two sides can't come together and agree to avert what everybody thinks will be economic catastrophe. we will go...